What is it and why should I care:
Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) is a civil rights movement for men. It advocates the pursuit of legal action, protests, and organization to promote men's health research and legal parity between the sexes (in particular divorce law and child custody). The premise is there is a huge disparity between funding for men's health and women's health, in particular cancer research and "the male pill." Also, with the huge number of divorces in this country, most of whom are filed by women under "no fault," there needs to be changes made to the laws and precedents such that women do not automatically end up with the children in settlements on the sole basis of their gender. They call an end to women denying the fathers the opportunity to see their children in cases where violence, abuse, and infidelity were not the cause of the divorce (the 'no fault' divorces). They also advocate the end of violence against men as the primary form of humor in everything from commercials to movies. Their example is, take any commercial where the male is made to look stupid and harm is done to him and replace it with a woman; then see if you still think its funny. Lastly, they seek to address the huge disparity between male and female suicide rates, especially those that arise from marital problems where divorced men seem to kill themselves at extremely higher rates.
One of the primary steps in going your own way is to not get married or to be in any relationship at all. Until the marriage lottery problem is solved, its not safe. You just can't tell if you're marrying a woman that will just leave you and take half your stuff, your children, and most of your income for the rest of your life. So you're a misogynistic pig, a women hater, and don't you know how bad women have it, glass ceiling, pay gap, blah blah blah
Nope.But that barbarossaaaa guy and Stardusk on Youtube are so meaaaaaan!
Well let me stop you right there. I think I see your problem. You're on Youtube, looking for advice/help/rational discourse. This is akin to asking /b/chan for relationship advice. PEBKC (problem exists between keyboard and chair).My thoughts:
I couldn't be arsed to care. I'm not a fan of movements or politics or any organization in general. Between boredom or lack of interest I'd just end up leaving. However, in this case I felt different because MGTOW was restating things I'd already thought and conclusions I'd already reached. I've been doing my own thing for so long I can't remember doing anything different. It never occurred to me that some group put into words my own conclusions and gave it a name. I mean call me surprised, but holy hell wtf. My 31 years of chastity has a name? wat? I mean I just did it because I didn't like what I saw happening to about half of my friends. Divorces, settlements, the fighting, the wives/girlfriends calling ME asking where their husband/BF is, and so on. I mean sure there were exceptions, Carico has a good marriage, same with Matt, and my sister isn't doing too badly. But Lawrence went through hell and then he disappeared, never did figure out what happened to him. Then my classmates about my age all had stories to tell, and Stacy had his gf take advantage of his spinal damage, stole all his stuff and his car, and left him even more physically damaged. Had to take him to the hospital and it took about five of us to do an intervention to save him from himself. I mean the shear damage and harm done to my friends and people I've met and known over the last ten years is insane for something that I've been told is an "isolated problem." In fact these occurrences have only accelerated in frequency in the last three years. I don't know what's going on, but holy crap.
What bothers me more than anything are the women retorting that "not all women are like this." Like that's supposed to help. So what, of course not all women are like "x." But there's enough of them that even little old me is taking notice. Furthermore, the fact that women are feeling the need to speak up and out that 'not all of us are like this' means that there's enough that this is a problem and that they are the majority, not the minority. "Not all of us" implies a minority (not all of us) compared against a majority (anyone not me or my close circle of friends), and a significant enough number of them in the general population that the odds of encountering one or more of these abusive and manipulative women is high.So where are you going with this?
Well, I just moved to Cheyenne, and guess what happened shortly after I moved. The shooting in the theatre not too far from me (Denver is only 1.5 hours away). What a horrible mess. So anyway, shortly after the shooting there were all these stories on the radio and on the Internet about those "heroic men who died for their women" and did their "duty." And then the one story about the "cowardly man" who ran away from the gun man and left his girlfriend there.
Why am I upset? Well its because people won't shut up about it. And having been a person that trained in the military for combat situations I think that anyone who hasn't at least served their time at the least or at best actually been in combat needs to just shut the fuck up.
No seriously, shut up. If you haven't been in combat and trained for it, go home. You have no say civi, gtfo.
SO instead of the conversation being about how you just can't tell how a person is going to react to life and death situations until they've been in one, we have all these people who've never seen a gun much less been smoked, gassed, shot and wounded, etc complaining about the cowards that failed their manhood by NOT DYING FOR THEIR WOMEN! FUCK YOU.
So the guy runs out of the theatre to save himself, gets excoriated by the public (the majority of whom haven't been exposed to life/death), chick gets rescued by some other dude, and marries the guy who ran away. So I guess she's smarter than the entire public because there must be more qualities to a man than stupidity in the face of danger. Stupidity is getting INTO the path of bullets, something the military trains you to avoid because dead people can't shoot back. Notice she didn't marry the guy that carried her and the child out. White Knights fail again!
Where was I? Oh yeah, the whole men must die for their women thing. Hey women, why weren't you diving in front of bullets to save your guy? There's real equality. Better yet, why didn't...oh wait, forgot my own rule. Paralysed by fear and all that.
Okay, women, here's my compromise: you take a bullet for me, and I'll fall on a sword for you. And I'll also let you bitch about 'cowardly' men not doing "Their Duty." I already had someone save my life once. I'm in debt to him, for the rest of my life. No one else gets to bitch about honor and duty.
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Remember guys, you're only a real man when if you die. Instead of, you know, getting on the ground, seek cover and get out of the way. Tell me, how did that bullet sammwich taste? Oh wait, you're dead. Nm.
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I like this line:
But what in the hell was Rohrs thinking when he left the theater and got in his car and drove off?! I cannot comprehend this. He knew his infant son was in there, not to mention his girlfriend and her young daughter. How is he going to help them from behind the wheel of his car, speeding in the other direction? The thing is, I suspect he wasn't thinking and was operating under some sense of self-preservation.
Oh, I can think of a few things. How about "omg omg omg omg omg oh shit oh shit oh shit!"
I find it hilariously frightening that out of an entire theatre of people, only one man thought to get out of the way. Not only did he escape immediate danger, he got in a car and drove
putting further distance between him and danger. Gentlemen, where would you rather be? In the car with our escapist, or eating bullet sammiches for our women so CNN can call us heroes.
I don't like heroes, because the majority of heroes are dead ones. Look at the Medal of Honor recipients, almost all of them were awarded posthumously. Being called a hero doesn't make the families of the dead happier. Its cold consolation to know that CNN thinks your brother/son/father "did the right thing."
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