This will be a rather short one. Possibly in counter to my prior journal. I've an idea for a featured artist journal, but it'll take some time to find someone right now.
So in honor of having witnessed someone else's journal thread-jacked by a rather determined group of people, I'm going to post my thoughts on the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) in a very brief fashion.
I'll just leave this journal with her words ringing in your ears. Just sit back and absorb this.
So what does it feel like being a MGTOW? Kinda like this actually.
Now get out of here before I break off some Green Day in your ass.
--------------------- Simply put, MGTOW is the name given to the phenomenon where increasing numbers of single men are refusing to "man up" and marry as society and women in general expect. I don't mean relationships with no marriage, civil unions and such. I mean true hardcore 'fuck all the numbers' no relationship, no dating, no flirting, nothing. The reason given is simple. "why bother." Skyrocketing divorce rates, punitive legal battles resulting in complete and total devastation wrought upon men in increasing numbers all because their partner decided they weren't happy with them anymore. Commitment only lasting as long as women WANT, and not what the word or intention actually means. "Oh I don't like you anymore, give me half your shit and I'll keep the house, the car, the bank accounts, and oh yes the children." "I'll be generous and give you once every other weekend access to MY children, if I feel like it." So men aren't buying it anymore. Fuck it all, why bother risking EVERYTHING on the off chance I/you/them didn't pick "the wrong one." Like Russian Roulette with five rounds and one empty.
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Oh my God. What the hell? I left a comment on the video about anti-polygamy and using men to breed with several women is hypocritical xD Obviously, men should not be with several women, just as several women should not be with one man. I don't care if it's your religion, it's still wrong. I try to stay away from labeling myself as a feminist because of women like her. When you say "feminist" people usually jump to the conclusion that you are anti-man. I try to make my relationship with my boyfriend as fair as possible. We split checks, I will open the door for him, carry things for him, but he also know that it is considerate to ask. I will only comply if I feel that I am somehow incapable of doing it. That's how it should be. He will ask, because that's only polite, and I will refuse, because that is only polite. If I am walking ahead of him, I open the door. If he is walking ahead of me, he opens the door. It's only being courteous, and EQUAL.
One last thing. I don't hate women. I've just come to realize over time that in order to respect other people, you have to respect yourself. And as part of that realization, that I came to know that I'm worth more than someone who will fall down at some woman's feet and provide for her a life of leisure that she desires.
Lets take the top three responses I got on online dating sites and in person when I tried asking women out (when they even bothered to respond). *College age or older women*
1) You aren't attractive enough 2) You aren't wealthy enough 3) I don't like your car 4) You're creepy 5) You lack confidence 6) Your apartment looks like a serial killer lives here (its too clean for a guy's apartment). 7) Your apartment is too clean and empty
My last apartment before I moved to my current job a few months ago: [link], [link], [link], [link], [link], [link]. Yep, I was a college student trying to find a date. I remember hearing stories of how people met in college, so I thought I'd give it a go. Shame on me.
What the hell? That looks just like anyone's apartment. Do they WANT you to be a slob? I don't know, there are some good girls out there for sure, and I agree that you should not settle for a crazy bitch No one should feel like they're so isolated that they need to be abused to have any sort of adult relationship. I know of people who actually feed off of that. The control actually gives them a high. It's disgusting. I've had to deal with a lot of controlling, manipulative people in my life, and it's taught me that it isn't the way to go, because they're both miserable. It's hard teaching my mom that it makes me want to do what she wants LESS when she screams at me and calls me names. Last weekend, she wanted to take Christmas pictures. I'm not exactly OK with my appearance right now. So I said I'd rather not, and she went ballistic. She yelled, and said my step-dad told me I HAVE to (we don't even live with him anymore. she moved us out to "punish" him, all though she's the one suffering more) Then she started crying and telling me that she does everything, trying to guilt me Then she said I should do it because she's my mom, trying to play on my sympathies Remember, this whole time, I'm just sitting there. I never told her I wouldn't do it, just that I wasn't exactly looking forward to it. So she turns it into something completely different, and I try to tell her that she's over reacting, and she says that I'm over reacting. Funny thing is, the next day my stepdad came over to take those pictures with her and I said I'd take pictures of them. Afterwards he said "You look really pretty today! I would like it if you could please take pictures with us." to which I humbly said yes, to show my mom how easy it could have been. Just ask my like a fucking regular person. God, she constantly tells me to move out so she can get her way, and then quietly follows with "But I don't want you to move out." after "YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING AND I DO EVERYTHING AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE OUT" to get me to do "more" I feel sorry for my stepdad, cause he's a nice guy, and he's trapped in this abusive relationship with my mom. :\ So don't be like him! Be the strong guy that doesn't fucking need a woman other than his mom to make him happy! I'm really proud of you!
NARWALT isn't an excuse, its a statement of minority. 'not all women are like that.'
Of course not all women are like that, but enough are that the yammering cry of the single with/without children, middle aged women "where have all the good men gone?" can be heard everywhere I go, online and offline.
I'm glad you treat your man like a human being. Men deserve to be treated like we are human. We have feelings and emotions too, even if we don't go running out the room crying. We aren't stupid, and we know when we're getting a bad deal.
That's the thing haha, my boyfriend is stuck in this role where he needs to be THE MAN, yknow? So he still feels he should't cry in front of anyone, but when he does, I don't insult him...I let him cry and I hold him, and he does the same for me. I just find that everybody should be treated equally. If he's had a bad day at work, I massage his neck, leave him alone to his vidya games, and he knows to do the same for me, and we both understand that when we want to talk we will. Basically, our relationship is built off of mutual consideration of each other's well being
Feminists are anti-men and their philosophy is based on violence against men and male disposability. We're just tools to be used to further women's goals and support them through life like privileged princesses. In Cheyenne, WY on the weekends I pick up this relationship and sexual health show (that I usually ignore), but one day I was driving down to Denver and it was the only thing I was able to pick up. So I gave it a listen and this Dr of sexual dysfunctions had this lady on. She was going on about how men need to man up and marry because where have all the good men gone, but if you want to date [her], you'd better bring the money. Cause she likes nice jewelry, and wants a good ride, and so on. I'm sitting here listening to this cunt go on about how she treats men that seem by her own descriptions to be decent enough men, but she turned them all down because she "wouldn't be able to live the life she wanted with them."
This isn't some isolated case. This is most (but not all) women. I've gotten tired of women trying to treat me as emotional support while they tell me how awful their current boyfriend is. I'm tired of being cougar bait with all these mid to late thirties women with young children trying to hit on me in the bar. And I'm tired of this "where have all the good men gone" whining.
So being the proactive non-bullshit person I've had to become to stop being used as a tool: I told the emotionally needy women to fuck off. I'm not your emotional dumpter. If you really wanted someone that cared for you, you'd date him/her. Instead you continue to associate with and graphically describe the awesome sex you had with the asshole that yells at you.
I stopped going to bars. I don't drink often enough to bother anyway. This also goes for online dating sites where all I seemed to attract were these women who lied about not having any children. Sorry, but not interested in raising someone else's children.
Finally, I tell all the "where have all the good men gone" women to fuck off, because they left all the good men in the friend zone about 10 years ago, and now they aren't quite so hot anymore and they have to settle for whatever you can get.
And now, in these wonderful years of western culture we have feminists finally coming out in the open and exposing themselves online for what they truly are. They have all the power, politically, socially, and in the courts. We are seeing the war against men in the open for the first time, and the media can't cover it up. More men are waking up, but slowly.
If there are any truly nice women out there, know this, its not worth the risk to find you. For every one of you, there's an average of 150 or so emotionally and monetarily needy abusive women out there just looking for a free ride.
I totally agree. But the feminism you describe is not yet recognized as a new wave of feminism, thankfully, all though lots of people tend to think of all feminists as feminazis. Most normal feminists fight for women's rights in other countries. Muslim countries, for example. I have run into a few people who think being a woman is second best, and that's the only reason I don't believe that women are truly equal with men. NORMAL feminists want equality. The new, smaller wave is for the extinction of man.
This "new" wave has always been there, since the beginning, just suppressed to some extent. The second wave feminists, the bra-burners, were very much anti-men and preached violence. The first books I've read by the very first feminist writers in the 50's had similar sentiments to those expressed by the femitheist, they believed that wars would end if they killed off enough of the men, because men caused wars and the resulting violence and chaos hurt women because the widows would be left without support. These ideas didn't catch on as much as later works that didn't take so drastic an approach. But the roots of feminism are laced with these radicals. They just haven't been openly discussed or admitted. But things are breaking down and these radicals are coming to the front and in public without fear of retribution. Because no one dares speak out against them. Certainly not a man.
As shown in more and more riots and protests like this show up: [link] And the entirety of the issue here: [link] and the original speech poster (defaced): [link]
These people are the face of feminism. Silence dissent, suppress the news, and kill anyone that gets in their way.
Well, this is exactly why I don't call myself a feminist. Even though the definition of Feminism means EQUALITY for women and men, (I don't believe in genital mutilation of either men or women. I already told my boyfriend that if we have a boy I don't want to get him circumcised. Equal opportunities in other countries is what I hope for. I want to live in a world where men are not tortured for simply being men and women are not tortured for simply being women)
Since women do not have rights everywhere in the world, it is definitely okay to be a feminist in the sense that you would call a man in africa who beats his 4 wives with sticks out and protect those women if they decide to fight back and empower them to do so.
Those feminists are radicals just like in any other group, and put a bad name to feminism just like radical christians or muslims do to their own religions.
You can be a feminist without associating yourself with those types of people.
I want to help children who are forced into marriage, forced to be mutilated at a young age, or forced to be a slave to their partner.
No, men should not be controlled by women in America, but they only do this because they have the luxary that most women don't have to fight back. If a woman is being beaten by her husband in Africa, and she hits him back, he is allowed to kill her.
I don't want you to think that all feminists are like them.
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I left a comment on the video about anti-polygamy and using men to breed with several women is hypocritical xD
Obviously, men should not be with several women, just as several women should not be with one man. I don't care if it's your religion, it's still wrong.
I try to stay away from labeling myself as a feminist because of women like her. When you say "feminist" people usually jump to the conclusion that you are anti-man.
I try to make my relationship with my boyfriend as fair as possible. We split checks, I will open the door for him, carry things for him, but he also know that it is considerate to ask. I will only comply if I feel that I am somehow incapable of doing it. That's how it should be.
He will ask, because that's only polite, and I will refuse, because that is only polite.
If I am walking ahead of him, I open the door. If he is walking ahead of me, he opens the door. It's only being courteous, and EQUAL.
Lets take the top three responses I got on online dating sites and in person when I tried asking women out (when they even bothered to respond). *College age or older women*
1) You aren't attractive enough
2) You aren't wealthy enough
3) I don't like your car
4) You're creepy
5) You lack confidence
6) Your apartment looks like a serial killer lives here (its too clean for a guy's apartment).
7) Your apartment is too clean and empty
My last apartment before I moved to my current job a few months ago:
[link], [link], [link], [link], [link], [link]. Yep, I was a college student trying to find a date. I remember hearing stories of how people met in college, so I thought I'd give it a go. Shame on me.
I don't know, there are some good girls out there for sure, and I agree that you should not settle for a crazy bitch
No one should feel like they're so isolated that they need to be abused to have any sort of adult relationship. I know of people who actually feed off of that. The control actually gives them a high. It's disgusting.
I've had to deal with a lot of controlling, manipulative people in my life, and it's taught me that it isn't the way to go, because they're both miserable. It's hard teaching my mom that it makes me want to do what she wants LESS when she screams at me and calls me names.
Last weekend, she wanted to take Christmas pictures.
I'm not exactly OK with my appearance right now. So I said I'd rather not, and she went ballistic. She yelled, and said my step-dad told me I HAVE to (we don't even live with him anymore. she moved us out to "punish" him, all though she's the one suffering more)
Then she started crying and telling me that she does everything, trying to guilt me
Then she said I should do it because she's my mom, trying to play on my sympathies
Remember, this whole time, I'm just sitting there. I never told her I wouldn't do it, just that I wasn't exactly looking forward to it.
So she turns it into something completely different, and I try to tell her that she's over reacting, and she says that I'm over reacting.
Funny thing is, the next day my stepdad came over to take those pictures with her and I said I'd take pictures of them. Afterwards he said "You look really pretty today! I would like it if you could please take pictures with us." to which I humbly said yes, to show my mom how easy it could have been. Just ask my like a fucking regular person. God, she constantly tells me to move out so she can get her way, and then quietly follows with "But I don't want you to move out." after "YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING AND I DO EVERYTHING AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE OUT" to get me to do "more"
I feel sorry for my stepdad, cause he's a nice guy, and he's trapped in this abusive relationship with my mom. :\
So don't be like him! Be the strong guy that doesn't fucking need a woman other than his mom to make him happy! I'm really proud of you!
NARWALT isn't an excuse, its a statement of minority. 'not all women are like that.'
Of course not all women are like that, but enough are that the yammering cry of the single with/without children, middle aged women "where have all the good men gone?" can be heard everywhere I go, online and offline.
Basically, our relationship is built off of mutual consideration of each other's well being
This isn't some isolated case. This is most (but not all) women. I've gotten tired of women trying to treat me as emotional support while they tell me how awful their current boyfriend is. I'm tired of being cougar bait with all these mid to late thirties women with young children trying to hit on me in the bar. And I'm tired of this "where have all the good men gone" whining.
So being the proactive non-bullshit person I've had to become to stop being used as a tool:
I told the emotionally needy women to fuck off. I'm not your emotional dumpter. If you really wanted someone that cared for you, you'd date him/her. Instead you continue to associate with and graphically describe the awesome sex you had with the asshole that yells at you.
I stopped going to bars. I don't drink often enough to bother anyway. This also goes for online dating sites where all I seemed to attract were these women who lied about not having any children. Sorry, but not interested in raising someone else's children.
Finally, I tell all the "where have all the good men gone" women to fuck off, because they left all the good men in the friend zone about 10 years ago, and now they aren't quite so hot anymore and they have to settle for whatever you can get.
And now, in these wonderful years of western culture we have feminists finally coming out in the open and exposing themselves online for what they truly are. They have all the power, politically, socially, and in the courts. We are seeing the war against men in the open for the first time, and the media can't cover it up. More men are waking up, but slowly.
If there are any truly nice women out there, know this, its not worth the risk to find you. For every one of you, there's an average of 150 or so emotionally and monetarily needy abusive women out there just looking for a free ride.
As shown in more and more riots and protests like this show up: [link] And the entirety of the issue here: [link]
and the original speech poster (defaced): [link]
These people are the face of feminism. Silence dissent, suppress the news, and kill anyone that gets in their way.
Since women do not have rights everywhere in the world, it is definitely okay to be a feminist in the sense that you would call a man in africa who beats his 4 wives with sticks out and protect those women if they decide to fight back and empower them to do so.
Those feminists are radicals just like in any other group, and put a bad name to feminism just like radical christians or muslims do to their own religions.
You can be a feminist without associating yourself with those types of people.
I want to help children who are forced into marriage, forced to be mutilated at a young age, or forced to be a slave to their partner.
No, men should not be controlled by women in America, but they only do this because they have the luxary that most women don't have to fight back. If a woman is being beaten by her husband in Africa, and she hits him back, he is allowed to kill her.
I don't want you to think that all feminists are like them.