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JollyJack and the Shooting: Gun Lovers are Nuts!

Journal Entry: Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:44 AM


So my favorite British 'adult entertainment' artist decided to open his mouth on this whole school shooting in Connecticut. He wants to ban the guns. Now, keep in mind he's a British citizen that lives in the UK, and as he keeps reminding us, doesn't actually care about our laws. But that didn't stop him from making an ass out of himself. Let dive in.

It starts here: jollyjack.deviantart.com/journ…

A deliberately vague question, phrased in such a way as to make light of the situation, by being cute and leading and thus ignoring the complex issues at play. Finally, it feeds on the emotions running high right now, while trolling anyone who actually gives a crap about gun laws by leading one to believe that the outdated constitution is what caused the deaths (not the man holding the gun).

If an aspect of your culture, made legal by an outdated document, leads to the injury or death of fellow citizens: should the law be changed?


So where does this lead me. Well he's a troll. Pure and simple, its intellectually dishonest. He wants to talk about American gun laws, but doesn't at the same time. So instead of talking about gun laws in a direct question like, "do you think america should ban guns?", he starts with the fundamentally bogus idea that our constitution is outdated and THAT'S why we've got a little over two dozen dead children.

He then gets a shitload of negative comments and then says this: fav.me/d5ohdtm

Let's just go over what I posted yesterday: I voiced that I have no opinion on guns in America, because I don't live there and as such; don't care. I said that I, personally, am afraid of guns and think they're industrial killing machines. And I posed a vague, hypothetical question that could have been applied to any situation where an old law/doctrine is in effect.

That's it. Nothing more. Harshest word in there was "change" followed by a question mark. Not "ban", not "make guns illegal" and certainly not "outlaw free speech and trial by jury", which some people with a slightly looser grasp on reality seem to think go hand in hand with owning the firearms I said I don't care about.

Well, today, I am going to post an opinion: if you're the kind of insecure, paranoid little twit that flies off the handle when someone poses a simple question, and who holds weapons and the laws that permit them with such religious reverence that you perceive that question as nothing short of an inexcusable, blasphemous attack, you probably shouldn't be trusted with a pointed stick let alone a gun.

Get a grip.


Wow, fuck me with a broken broom stick and twist. Let me get this straight. You lead with a deliberately vague poll question that everyone saw through. Backpedaled afterwards after negative feedback. And then finally compared everyone that doesn't agree with gun control laws and have GOVERNMENT AND INDEPENDENT AND POLICE STATISTICS TO BACK THEM UP, to "paranoid little twits" and "religious fanatics." Thank you so much, because I love being labeled a religious fanatic for actually caring enough to do research.

And lets drop the bullshit on one more item RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Gun laws are about banning guns.

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Since you want to step in our dirty laundry. I recently ordered some of the new prototype bio-film pint glasses pubs are going to start using to see what all the fuss was about. I never knew you Brits had such a huge problem killing and maiming each other while drinking beer. To the point where your Parliament is/was trying to pass laws banning the pint glass. Since your healthcare is government funded, the huge number of glassing cases was putting an undue burden on the system. So now, you all will have to drink out of bio-film covered glasses because you can't seem to figure out how to drink beer responsibly without killing each other. Bravo. Hang a sec, where's my gun. I might need it if I go into one of your pubs. I might get glassed.

side note: you brits have a word for 'getting smashed in the head with a pint glass resulting in severe disfigurement and sometimes fatal cuts and lacerations.' Glassing.

But what do I know? I'm just an ignorant stupid American twit with delusions of religious fervor, blindly holding my gun to my chest while reciting the holy gospel according to National Rifle Association.


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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
The right to bear arms is something that was instilled by America's Forefathers as a way of people to know that they should have the right to own a weapon to protect themselves.

It is a way for people to be rest assured that, if they are even in a life threatening situation faced with a deadly assailant, they would have the right to being armed with a gun. That has been basic American Principle since the birth of the United States and is something that should not be changed.

I live in Louisiana in the Deep Southern States of my country where gun there are barely any gun control laws.at all. How many times have you ever heard about a school shooting in a state like Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, or Kentucky where Gun Control is not something many believe in. The places where it is not uncommon to see a family that owns at least one handgun, rifle, or shotgun.

Now look at the state of Conneticut where the school massacre took place. Conneticut has some of the tightest gun restriction laws in the country and you hear about the worst school shooting in United States history. Most of the times you ever hear about these tragedies it takes place in a state where gun control laws are strong.

Why? Because that is where a murderer wants to commit a crime because he knows that since more people are unarmed, he will have a better chance at being able to kill whoever he wants too.

Gun controls always have the opposite effect they are intended for because not everyone is ever going to follow the law because it right.

Guns don't kill people, People kill people.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
We medicated our young men in my generation with SSRI's (Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor) and other drugs like Ritalin to "cure" them of their ADD and ADHD. Now the few that were already unstable who have been medicated to the point of insanity are killing people. I can't go one day without meeting another male who isn't damaged in some way due to unreported long term side effects of severely altering the male brain chemistry all in the name of creating order in the classroom and improving grades. Instead, I meet guys at work, at the card/hobby shop, and in other random places that talk about their lack of long term memory, memory loss of the entire period of time from start to end of the drugs, failing grades when they got off of them, psychotic episodes, suicidal tendencies, bouts of sudden, unprovoked, and uncontrollable rage where you just have to leave the room and wait for them to calm down, nightmares, biological failures of organs that just shouldn't be failing in their 30's, and the list goes on.

Now we in the 90's 2000's and today have the biggest school massacres we've ever had. And people want to ban guns. We have men in their 30's that can't remember their entire life until they stopped taking the drugs in their late teens or early twenties, and we're doing it to more boys even younger and younger instead of trying to teach in school the way boys actually learn.

Gun laws won't fix this problem. Gun laws just make it easier to kill more people faster.
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buddy1913 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
as a Englishman i think its out of line to criticize those nations and laws that are not of our own or current resident land, this 'comedian'/entertainer has stepped out of line and made a right ass of himself and the British people at the same time.

but have you not just also take something and turn it into an insult in the exact same way? i fails to see how two wrongs make a right but anyway, just as guns are a problem cheap alcohol and a lack of education about its proper and responsible consumption is missing from our school curricular.
furthermore the term 'glassing' is not a word at all but a phrase that has evolved to ease explanation and documentation of such events, compressing a sentence into a single phrase.

the second amendment while being very old, is part of the fabric of the united states. although its wording may be difficult to apply now, its intended use remains the same;
the right for the American Citizen to bare arms (not specifically guns) and form a well regulated and trained militia for the defense of American property and families.
i feel that it is this wording that is misinterpreted as a right that applies only to firearms where as i see it as meaning arms in general.

from a country with no right to bare arms in our defense or defense of our property or loved ones, stricter gun control/banning is not an answer but better education into the proper use and issues surrounding guns and other lethal/less-than-lethal weapons is necessary to help prevent incidents like the shootings that have recently taken place (may their souls rest in peace) . however incidents like this cannot be stopped entirely.

'Glassing' is a major problem in the UK admittedly, however i believe that altering the way we consume alcohol is only a temporary solution to a much bigger problem tat many are reluctant to tackle, it is very easy to obtain an intoxicating amount of alcohol here in the UK, this is wrong and i feel a minimum cost should be applied as well as the legal drinking age rose from 18 to 21. while also providing better education on the effects and reasonable consumption of alcohol. bearing in mind that not all incidents of 'glassing' are caused by British citizens, as a member of the European union, any citizen of any EU country has the right to reside and work in any other member state. this combined with the UK's vibrant night life and cheap alcohol cause a sharp rise in these incidents. furthermore not once in my entire 13 year school career was any information given on alcohol and its effects.

but i do know one thing, removing or limiting rights that were granted to the citizens of any nation by altering its time old constitution or placing restrictions on such rights should be a crime in itself.

and i say it again, this man's comments are a disgrace to himself and and insult to this nation and your own, Please do not judge us on this Foolish man's actions.
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Majatek Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
So denial basically. :lol:
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bonjourmonami Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Surely the events of recent years is evidence enough that your gun laws need to change, drastically. 200 years ago that claus might have been for the best but that was TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO! The world has changed and those laws need to as well. Guns for hunting, that's ok I guess but apart from that they're just ticking time bombs waiting for the right slightly unstable person to pull the trigger. Quite frankly, if I lived in the US I'd be afraid of guns because of the easiness that they can be obtained and not knowing if someone might just burst in at any moment and empty a gun into people.
A short quote from the west wing -
"a three-day wait to run a check to see if you're crazy. As if wanting the gun wasn't a pretty good heads up in the first place."
If guns were illegal all those innocent children would be alive today.

All I'm gonna say on the subject.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Or you could put the insane people away in mental hospitals. Or you could put armed guards/police where those likely to prey on helpless people congregate. Or you could do both.

We put guards and military and police in dangerous parts of cities, airports, and around all political officials. But yet children aren't worth putting protection around?
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bonjourmonami Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
One more quick note. If President Obama can get guns outlawed during his second term, he will have done your entire country an enormous favour and will have deserved every single one of his votes.
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tw8687 Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2012
If you would do your research you would know that Connecticut already had strict gun laws yet the massacre happened anyway. So tell me, how is a ban on guns is going to stop criminals who won't even follow the ban?
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Aerodeth Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2012
"Aw gee... I capitalized on a tragedy! And now people are mad! Why wont they just lighten up?! GEEZ!"
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KickTheWall Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Gun laws aren't about banning guns all-together if you do them right. You should not be allowed to own an automatic weapon, for example, or even a semi-auto.

Oh, also, if your first reaction to 20 children being shot is "THEY'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY MY GUNS!" or to bitch and moan endlessly about gun laws, you have failed as a human being.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Those people are morons. I agree with you on the automatic weapons thing, but that's already illegal to own. Plus, this guy didnt kill the children with an automatic weapon, it was semi-automatic.
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mhm98 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012
The school massacre still would'nt have been the same, or maybe even would'nt have happened, had guns been illegal in America.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
A murderer will use a gun to kill regardless if it is illegal or not. Guns don't kill people! PEOPLE kill people!
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mhm98 Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013
Of course he will. But the possibility of the murderer having or getting a gun would be slightly less if guns werent, like, NEARLY FUCKING HANDED OUT TO EVERYONE!!!11

And i dont know about you, but i really dont think the outcome would have been the same had the murderer been unarmed.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
Whether or not guns are illegal is irrelevant. He would have either way gotten his hands on one of those weapons. It doesn't matter if you make guns against the law, people are still going to have them just because they want to. It is like Prohibition and the 19th Amendment. That banned all alcohol from America and did that solve the problem? No, it actually caused made it worse.
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mhm98 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
WTF?!?!
Illegalization of guns is relevant as shit! Where the hell would you get guns from then?? Only possible option i see would be to buy it through black markets or other illegal imports, but how the hell should that work out in any easy way??!?! And for a 20 year old white american with autism?!...

No way. No way would he ever even get near a weapon. I just dont see it.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
The second Amendment gaurantees the right for its citizens to bear arms. I'm not going to argue with the Constitution of hte United States.

What would you do if the government rose to enslave or control its citizens completely? You wouldn't havea firearm to defend yourself if the military came to force you under its complete control. You would be screwed.

The school shooting in Connecticut. That shooting happened in one of the most Liberal gun-controlled states in the U.S. You never hear about school shootings in states where there is hardly any gun control.

Tell me the last time you heard on the news a report about a school shooting or movie massacre in a state where guns are supported. (Any state within the Southeastern United States)
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mhm98 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Really?... This is your excuse?... You're paranoid the big man will put you in cages and make you feed him grapes and dick in his coal mines?...

Not only will that never happen, because the government will need citizens to volunteer, and no idiot in their right mind will volunteer to enslave themselves. But if the plan should workout somehow, we're are talking about strongly armed forces of trained soldiers, with tank and airsupport included, against normal citizens with guns...
Let me just tell you right now, if the government tries to enslave us all, and you guys have your guns, there's no fucking way that Adam Lanza; with an assault rifle, will save us...

Well, i guess the gun control in Connecticut wasnt strict enough, since some mentally unstable guy just took his mamas guns, walked straight into puplic property like everything was just fucking normal, and played IRL Space Invaders with children...
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
You and your control everything government can take a 12-Gage and shove it up your asshole.
I'd rather have the freedom to choose what I want to do.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
So everyone who owns a gun is a wackjob who doesn't know how to handle a firearm safely.
All of us Americans are ignorant because we support the right to protect ourselves with loaded weapons.

That is a pretty bold statement you make there.

I own several rifles and two shotguns. I use them for recreational hunting and, if I have to, self-defense. Never have I wanted to ever head out into public and shoot somebody to kill them. Most people in their right mind would never do that. There is a difference between properly handling a gun and just going out to shoot somebody.

Then again what do I know? The government obviously knows what is best for me and I have to obey every single thing they tell me to do.

"Guns are dangerous! Guns kill people!"

That's a load of bullshit. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. A gun is not a living thing.
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SwimProductionsArt Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
You say that as if people with Autism are helpless. My best friend has Autism and they are in college on their own.

I don't agree with illegalizing something GAURANTEED by the 2nd Amendment of the very document the UNited States was built upon.

What would you do if the government tried to enslave its citizens and you had no gun to protect yourself? You'd be screwed without a gun.
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mhm98 Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2013
Wow, big one! Let's hand the special little snowflake a medal then.
I know damn well what autism is about, and im not saying it renders one helpless, but it's definitly not a plus.
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MrHugoDrax Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
Time to go buy stuff before it's illegal - second, wish people would actually know what an "assault weapon" was. And almost forgot third - anyone seen proof either way regarding the Colorado shooter's father and the father of the Connecticut shoot's father being involved in the same court case?
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I haven't, but the shooters might have the same MO, where they'd rather go out in a bang than get quietly shut in a locked padded room forever.
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MrHugoDrax Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
Honestly, I'm tired of how people have excuses for everything rather than taking responsibility --- go out with a bang - yeah, I hear what you're saying at the same time - they were both smart enough to help others and the choose to squander that possibility.
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MrHugoDrax Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012
-forgive me it's late there is an extra father in there
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Raidho36 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
I am a ponyfaggot and I approve your shit.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you.
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IronBatMaiden91 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
You've got to be kidding me.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, no kidding, recently reported stats of over 87k cases of glassing in the UK, and Australia has the same problem. Disfigurement and death from bar fights and domestic disputes where drunken people smash glasses into people's faces and attack each other with the broken shards. I'd rather be shot.
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tw8687 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
That fact that he is shying away from the issue simply because people are calling out on his bullshit is what really irritates me. The worst thing is, some of the people commenting are trying to defend him.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
There's no helping him. He said from the start that he's terrified of guns. I can't work with people who's fears rule them.
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IronBatMaiden91 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Yikes! Same here!
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh hell no I'm not kidding. This kind of intellectual elitism by someone that isn't even in this country pissed me off. I hate it when people pretend that they're so smart by asking deliberately vague and leading question, and then going all "no that's not what I was doing, but you're all idiots and religious nuts over there anyway. I'm better than you, can't you tell, because I asked a vague question instead of just saying what I mean." Yeah real cute.

And he's clearly unaware of the rising gun violence that has tripled from 1998 to 2008 according to the UK's police and medical claims stats released in 2009 by the UK Parliament. In a country where guns (especially hand guns) are banned.


Side Issue because he stepped in our shit without knowing or being deliberately ignorant of the facts of this guy's mental illness and history of violence and heavy medications.

I added the section at the bottom on British 'glassing.' that in 2010 and 2011 Parliament was trying to ban the pint glass because apparently Brits can't drink beer responsibly without disfiguring/killing each other. So now there's new prototype bio-film pint glasses (like your car windshield) that doesn't shatter and send shards everywhere leaving monofiliment edges that can slice through bone, arteries, veins, and muscles with ease. You know, so the Government healthcare system isn't burdened with the tens of thousands of cases of 'glassing' that's been going around.

So when our national healthcare law takes effect, I can't wait for the list of things we can't do anymore because it would cause a burden to the system or something.
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IronBatMaiden91 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012
Intellectual elitists, in my observation, tend to be narcissistic. This guy is a perfect example.

Not all of us who are religious are paranoid or whack jobs! That guy needs to get his facts straight. Some of us actually have common sense and reason!

Ugh! That's the sort of thing that creates a nanny state. We're seeing it here, but at a slower rate.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Are you sure its a slower rate? Seems to me that the last 15 years has been a huge increase in our loss of rights and liberties, all in the name of "safety/security."
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IronBatMaiden91 Featured By Owner Dec 20, 2012
I'd say in the last 3-4 years, it's been sped up.
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