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Fur Affinity Sept 2012 - you deserve all the lols

Journal Entry: Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:33 PM


I'm going to skip the rant and the preach and go right for the throat.

If you use Fur Affinity as your primary art submittal site, actually pay attention to what goes on with the community there, and you still have your primary artwork there, then you deserve everything that happens to your images. The site is run by scum, they have inconsistent rules, and when financial backers come calling they start mass bannings until the people funding them are happy. I've written about their incompetence before, and I'm not rehashing that, but let me propose this one thing.

When the financiers of FA called up a few weeks ago, they were upset at all the cub porn (read child porn) on the site. To keep on the good graces of the powers that be, they started mass banning and deleting images from all the sonic artists that draw porn on their site.  A community outcry went out against this change in the User Policy (or something), and then all of a sudden the site experiences a massive crash and corruption of the database, a failed raid controller card, and dead hard drives resulting in the site being inoperable for days.

I'm just saying.




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-0 And no, Tumblr isn't the solution either. Face your fans, and enable comments, cowards.

-0 PS, when's the last time DA needed private backers because the child porn prevents normal modes of monetary transactions? Or remember how last week DA was offline for days because they ran everything off of one server? Or how we all got that message in our in-boxes this last spring that DA needed emergency funds or it would go offline?  Me neither. You might gripe about how you can't take familiar cartoon characters and "age" them to adult to create porn on this site, but think about it this way. You might not have your Kim Possible orgy fest, but at least all of us get a site that stays online and functional the majority of the time.


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Majatek Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol FA and their burning servers.
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Mewtwolover Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2012
"When the financiers of FA called up a few weeks ago, they were upset at all the cub porn (read child porn) on the site. To keep on the good graces of the powers that be, they started mass banning and deleting images from all the sonic artists that draw porn on their site."
The financiers has nothing to do with the cub porn ban or recent Sonic porn ban: [link]
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
The financiers are being blamed by the sonic artists themselves. What I highly suspect happened is the hardware was failing (these things do give warnings before total failure), and the crew running the site started looking for money. The people that said they'd pay for it all demanded or at least requested that a certain type of porn be removed, and as a result the bannings happened. But the hardware failed before parts got in and bam accidental concurrency of problems.
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:iconkhomaa:
Khomaa Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm just there to submit my pr0n so I'm not there often enough to really experience FA's shit moments.
However
If FA were to run out of money, I'd care none.

FA doesn't have Premium subscriptions or a Prints feature or even a shop so it can't milk money out of it's users like DA.
At least it has a legit reason to be run so shittily unlike DA with a networth of over a million dollars.
I shit you not.
And yet the report-ticket system is backed up for months and mods like R2 and DxD frolic in their hypocrisy as they wipe their asses with our Desk Tickets.
While I'm not a real huge fan or a real fan of FA, at least the Help Forum actually HELPS.
I also must say that I'm happy with how FA (as well as Inkbunny and SoFurry) actually back up artists whose works are stolen are ripped off.
INB4 "BAW YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT A POSE!!11"
No, I'm talking about when people straight-up make carbon copies or damn near it, of other peoples art. On DA you can make a carbon copy from scratch (meaning not having been traced) and DA just shrugs it off. DA will only do anything if it's actually traced but even then changing the eye color or the position of a limb is enough to save it from deletion.
It's safe to say that DA gives little to no shits about intellectual property but DA IS a corporation so its goal is to make money.

I'm glad DA at least doesn't allow straight-up porn. Yeah..so DA will allow woman touching their clits, clothed erections/stylized erections, cub art, mildly adjusted trace-overs, carbon copies and for R2 to carbon-copy a tiger photo and claim the entire thing was his idea start-to-finish...but at least we get a site that stays online/is functional.
Most of the time.

Better than most sites even if some of the staff members need to gtfo.


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:iconsemc:
SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll take the craptastic line tracing, sonic/naruto/animu artwork, drama, trolls, and incompetent ticketing systems if I can just log in whenever I want without having to worry that my entire gallery got fragged, all because the admins priority was in keeping the poke-porn chronicles intact during a hardware fault.
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Khomaa Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol Yeah I mean..at least we can LOG IN to encounter the problems whereas FA you can't even get as far as logging in at times
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:iconsemc:
SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Step one is reliability. Then go from there. I can't even get to the porn or not to porn part because every few months the site goes offline due to "problems" of some sort or another. Then there's the chronic slowness. And the account hacks and site scripting exploits.

I have only failed to be able to access DA once, maybe twice in five years. Lets just say that I can't remember the instances too well. Whereas I can remember the last few times FA has herped the derp and failed to load for anywhere from a few hours to days (and that's just this year alone and its not even over yet). Hell I think I've even started blogging about the outages each time they occur now just to keep count.
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:iconkhomaa:
Khomaa Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If FA didn't rely so much on donations of broke-ass furries and sponsers, they wouldn't have such an issue.
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:iconsemc:
SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You've got a point about DA's really horrible customer service. But, if you're not into the site hardcore and really worried about online piracy, its a decent enough place. They keep their code up and actually debug it instead of letting it rot and waiting until a major exploit takes the site down like FA does (how many years did FA keep their passwords as plain text sent over http unencrypted?). So the porn can't be submitted to DA, I'm so not worried because there's other places to post it. Its just that so many artists boast the community aspects of the site, keeping it alive despite shitty netcoding, bad back end management, poor planning, rules that come and go depending on who is funding the site at the moment, and still have a worse reliability than the angelfire hosting that was the mid ninety's.

So yeah, DA's got some problems, but you know what, guess who's online right now and who is having their normal quarterly site stability problems.
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:iconkhomaa:
Khomaa Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah it's doing a lot better than FA even with it's handful of issues.
FA has more of a wheel-barrow.
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Tiges7 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
wow thats just sad its called not being able to run your own freaking website and then get pissed when the users say there was nothing in the rules
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:iconsemc:
SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Well when the money comes from people that don't actually run the site, then guess who actually runs the site.
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Tiges7 Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahahaha yea true
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012
Ahahah, wow. That's the FA administration? That sounds worse than R^2.
It's no fucking wonder that Extvia up and left.


You can comment on Tumblr by posting w.e. in the... comments, when you reblog shit. There's nothing they can do about it unless they've made it a private post, which defeats the purpose of posting altogether.
If they've blocked you, you won't appear in the notes, but anyone following you can see it, and their notes will appear if they reblog it.

But no, no one can see it directly on the post. They'd have to check the notes, which can be time consuming, and the notes don't have the whole commentary, you have to actually visit the post.
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:iconsemc:
SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Why do I have to reblog and spam people just to comment on artwork? That's stupid. Re-blogging is lame, if there's something cool, share it by talking about it, then linking to it like a normal blog. Instead you get like 128 characters and everyone following you gets the entire conversation as one huge block in that unreadable tree format they have.

Yeah, FA's admins are just missing out on a solid money system if they just clean up a little bit. Instead its 4chan lite. And I bet 4chan makes more money too.
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012
"Why do I have to reblog and spam people just to comment on artwork?"

It's not a "standard" blog, like Blogspot, and honestly, I find Blogspot annoying.

You don't even have to comment. Hell, you can delete all the commentary if you want too. But no, it's not as direct as devART, UNLESS you have Tumblr email you each time your post is reblogged (yes you can do this), and your email service puts that into a folder.

"Re-blogging is lame, if there's something cool, share it by talking about it, then linking to it like a normal blog."

Why would you just link to a video when you can embed it? Music? Yeah, if you have the address for an audio file (MP3 only), you can use Tumblr as a player of sorts, even though it's not hosting the file.

Scenario:
-You find something you like (that happens to be a blog entry),
-so you share it on yours.
-Someone who gets updates from your blog regularly
-decides to share it too, on their blog.
Now, in stead of copying the link, the image's address, or whatever, you could have just "reblogged" it.

Tumblr is a blend of a blogging web site as well as a pure social network.

Scenario_2: Say someone makes comments about something important to them, and another person sees this and adds their own to it. Now, if it were a standard blog, they'd have to post something in the comment boxes down at the bottom, but on Tumblr, it's all right there in the same post.

"Instead you get like 128 characters and everyone following you gets the entire conversation as one huge block in that unreadable tree format they have."

I find it pretty easy to read and write :shrug:. Character limits only exist for Asks and Replies, and you can only reply to people that follow you (depending on their blog settings).

One of the issues I've found is that not many people can properly manage the formatting. Because Opera likes to add a non-breaking-space for no reason to each new line, I have to use the raw text editor, but this gives me more editing options that the RTE does not have. Plus, the RTE is shit for layering blockquote tags (Rich HTML editors tend to suck balls in general).
I'll probably never switch back.


"Yeah, FA's admins are just missing out on a solid money system if they just clean up a little bit. Instead its 4chan lite. And I bet 4chan makes more money too."

Hah. I bet they do.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
What crack are you on? You can't reply or comment at all on Tumblr unless their page skin allows it (most don't), they follow you, AND they enabled comments on that post. So umm like no. You can't comment, its not convenient or easy to read, or makes any sense. You know what happens when I open up a post on any random tumblr? I get a bajillion "<username> liked comments" that scroll off the page, or I get "<username> reblogged this." Oh and god forbid someone actually figures out comments, because then the comments split into this weird ass tree where it goes:

comment
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[link] Oh yeah this is scintillating conversation going on here. I mean real contributions and all that. Oh, and you can't comment. Only if you "re-blog" but hey why say anything when you can just hit one button and SPAM ALL THE FRIENDS. Oh and get this, if say I watch panfe and another person I watch also reblogged this: DOUBLE THE FUN! YAY. As for stealing: I dare you to find out who posted the original. Go on. Follow it back.

and to top off all the fun, the majority of all the posts that I get from 20 people is stupid shit like this: [link]
Thanks guys, I watch you and create a bookmarks folder just for all 20 of you and this is all I get. I'm watching artists for the art. yeah right. My front dashboard page is filled as far as I have patience to scroll not with art but with this: [link] and [link] and [link] and they're all fking reblogs.

You know, on DA and FA when you post someone else's stuff, they call you an art thief. On Tumblr they call you a re-blogger. Enjoy your stay.
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:iconionosphere-negate:
Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012
How long have you been using Tumblr? It's gotta be two years non-stop, because if not, you don't have the experience I do :unimpressed:.

"What crack are you on? You can't reply or comment at all on Tumblr unless their page skin allows it (most don't), they follow you, AND they enabled comments on that post."

That's Disqus, and I'm not talking about that useless piece of shit.
Replies are NOT Disqus. They can only be done on the Dashboard, and there are two options:
"Allow replies from people you follow."
"Allow replies from people following you for more than two weeks."

Blog skins have zero power over this, sans Disqus; this can only be changed in the settings.
And by comments I don't mean like dA or FA comments. Granted, if the theme is tweaked, you can make the comment block disappear, but if you do, you're generally considered a moron with or without bad taste. But when you do reblog, you have full control of the text in the comments. You cannot completely disable comments on any post. Ever.

You know what happens when I open up a post on any random tumblr? I get a bajillion "<username> liked comments" that scroll off the page, or I get "<username> reblogged this." Oh and god forbid someone actually figures out comments, because then the comments split into this weird ass tree where it goes:

comment
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That first part you mentioned are the Notes. Every blog post has them. It's how the system works.
Now I've seen Deviations that have five pages of 120 comments, each just as worthless as the last. Don't tell me that Tumblr is somehow "worse," especially when these two things aren't parallel enough to even make the comparison.
Missing E is supposed to fix a lot of those formating errors, and you might be able to find a custom style that does the same.

"[link] Oh yeah this is scintillating conversation going on here. I mean real contributions and all that."

Biased Sample much?

"Oh, and you can't comment. Only if you "re-blog" but hey why say anything when you can just hit one button and SPAM ALL THE FRIENDS."

No shit, I just got through saying that. Your post is supposed to appear on your Dash. Commentary isn't always appropriate. It's no different than faving on her, but your followers see the whole post and can do the same. It's MEANT to take up space.

"Oh and get this, if say I watch panfe and another person I watch also reblogged this: DOUBLE THE FUN! YAY."

How is that a problem? I follow a lot of blogs that follow me, and I have zero issues with it.

"As for stealing: I dare you to find out who posted the original. Go on. Follow it back."
"You know, on DA and FA when you post someone else's stuff, they call you an art thief. On Tumblr they call you a re-blogger."

Are you dense?
Every post has a source, which cannot be deleted. Ever. And it leads back to the OP. Now, someone can make a whole new post and use the same information, and that can be considered stealing.
People will know when you are stealing and when you are not.

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Yes, a lot of posts are really stupidly simple shit, but how is that such a fucking problem? Who are you, Internet Quality Control?

Here, have some retarded posts:
[link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link] [link]

Fun fact: Every single person who follows me, apparently doesn't have a problem with being bombarded with all of this "stupid."

If you cannot handle Tumblr's setup, then just say so, and quit bitching about how it doesn't "work", for whatever reason.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
blarg and that one too. You are the best friend a pseudo rage troll like me can have. Seriously, without you I wouldn't have any intelligent discussion with anyone over nonsensical stuff like this. Whereas others are going "me too" you seem to have an actual interest in defending your ideas.

I'd follow you on tumblr, but I check my account like once a quarter. And there's no archive or search feature. So finding all your posts and reblogs requires i go to your page and back page a dozen pages or so until i find where I left off last time.
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Ionosphere-Negate Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2012
Yeah, I really hate that blind following me2 stuff.
Side note: I saw this really cool list of different types of forum entities. One of them was "me too" and it was a small yapping dog. I can't seem to find it again.

I tag my posts nowadays. I used to not. If I'm having a conversation, I tag it with the others' usernames.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Tell me how you're tagging posts. I can tag my submissions, but not my replies.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You seem to mistake Tumblr with what we're doing now. I'm confused as to how

jazidreamer reblogged this from guardian-of-life
politemachinegun liked this
tehartmonkey reblogged this from xalter--ego
xalter--ego reblogged this from tf2shitfest
blooregardo reblogged this from what-is-this-i-dont-even
davidthedestroyer reblogged this from not-good-with-computer
davidthedestroyer liked this
hg-rising liked this
chemistintraining reblogged this from what-is-this-i-dont-even
pafluxa reblogged this from drmatus
grimhood1 reblogged this from py-bun
ashadeoftardisblue liked this
rmachete liked this
........

Are comments. This is not commenting. Its a never ending list of who favorited your post. You want to know who else does this, but better: DA.
Right here:
Favourites: 2 [who?] you click on who and it pops up a list of usernames that liked what you said. Instead of chocking up the main view area.

"Double the fun" refers to how I get double the reblogs on my front page. So instead of only one entry on my page (that I have to scroll down to view more), I get two or more. Which is annoying that they can't figure out how to consolidate multiple reblogs together.

Gah, you missed it when I mentioned finding the source. So what I mean is this. When you follow my link its says "reblogged by x." then you click on that reblog link and it goes to an identical post which also says "reblogged by y," repeat a few times and you finally find the original post. My point is, the terminus messages do NOT source the originating message, only the immediate link back one step. In the end, the number of people who actually try to find the original artist/blogger is minimal, because instead of having to go to the source (say a person's gallery through a link, or a youtube channel, etc) all the user has to do is view it RIGHT THERE. There's a way to find the original creator, but its lengthy and prone to serious flaws such as some skins failing to display the "reblogged by" or hide it somewhere really fuking small on the bottom of the page. But that's okay, its not like the original artist is missing traffic/exposure/proper referencing or anything right?

See, when I commission artwork and post it in my gallery, I always provide links to the original. Direct links to the original. (And if FA wasn't herping the derp right now, those that point there would actually work). But instead of forcing direct links to original content, Tumblr allows rebloggers the opportunity to avoid that messy business of finding the original and giving proper credit and thus avoiding claims of piracy/theft. Instead, by giving this bogus <click here and wade through twenty deep plus reblogs to find the orignal artist> link, all responsibility is removed from the reblogger. I seem to recall a lot of art thieves from years pasts that insisted that posting someone else's works was helping them and showing how much they loved their work. On most sites, we call that theft. On Tumblr its called reblogging.

I have been told repeatedly by people I've attempted to contact and seen the pages that recommend which skins to use to block comments (either by hiding or moving them off screen somehow) that the goal of skin editing is to block comments. Tumblr exists to allow butt-hurt and overly sensitive artists the illusion of control by eliminating any discussion or critique. The first things they see are all the likes, favorites, and reblogs in addition to big huge counters that tell them ONLY how many people liked/faved/etc their image/blog. Any actual comments are restricted through usage rights, or are easily ignored/lost in the flood of never ending likes/favs.

Where as right now we are having a discussion on the merits of Tumblr's commenting system (or lack thereof), this conversation is not only non-existent on sites like Tumblr, but quite frankly, IMPOSSIBLE.
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Raidho36 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012
Why are you crying over cartoon porn being selectively deleted from some third-class cesshole web-site? Don't you have your own website? I do, and I won't give a slightest fuck if any of the websites I'm on is down or ban me.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm not crying over pron. I'm bitch'n about shitty ass morons running a site badly and about the artists that go there to 'get away from the DA community drama,' most of which they caused themselves. Point is there's better sites, and I wish FA was one of them, because it could be, but isn't.
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Raidho36 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012
>bitch'n about shitty ass morons running a site badly
>...who delete some images selectively and manage their site bad as shit
Well I wasn't wrong about crying over cartoon porn, right?

>'get away from the DA community drama,' most of which they caused themselves
>most of which they caused themselves
Yep. "The biggest problem of World Music is Personally You, because You Listening to Shit!"

>there's better sites
4chan or some other imageboards maybe? How about it? I find it is best for that kind of artworks. Oh, right, you can't have all the pride, praisings and "omg i luv ur art" shit in there, which is unacceptable. Because sharing your artworks to people is just not satisfying enough. Bleh.

>I wish FA was one of them
A web-site of furry porn would be a better than dA? Are you out of your mind? That's plain impossible, simply because only complete morons run such websites, and if a website is run by moron, there is no way it would be a good website.
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HedgehodgeMonster Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
They don't like glitch art either

and they're rather screwy about photos.

wait are you saying they fucked up their own system because of the community drama?
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm saying they did what they had to do. I have no proof, no court docs, etc. But I've been following their crap for years. This is not the first nor the last time they will put off needed code and hardware fixes and repairs until the last second. Then they're scrambling for resources and bam, you want my money? you do things my way. This is why the site needs to be self-sufficient and not beholden to the few private financiers that can afford the emergency monies.
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HedgehodgeMonster Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've heard about their repeated hardware/code issues before but this is probably the first time I've experienced one.

it comes off as negligience and laziness on the part of the current moderators more than a deliberate attempt to knock down the site so they can cover up some drama though
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
This happens so often its almost reliable to clock them by it. Negligence or deliberate, it doesn't matter. People will still use it regardless, and there's not much I can do about it except warn people not to help give them money. And to keep backups somewhere else.
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HedgehodgeMonster Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL thankfully I only have one or two pics there that I do not have here
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, they got it "fixed" again, but who knows when it'll go down again.
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HedgehodgeMonster Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
true
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Blood-Of-Severity Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Lolz indeed are had.
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SEMC Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. Its still in read only mode. If they'd just migrate to better code and a more redundant database system they'd be good. Get some real money coming in, etc. You can say that DA is a hog, but FA still loads slower despite the more primitive coding.
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